Regan
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We all have our own interests and styles, as well as enjoying play for different reasons; one way is not necessarily preferable to another in the grand scheme of things.
I take pleasure in sessioning from the exchange of energy, setting and overcoming challenges in a scene with someone I like, and building relationships over time. My goal is a having a real connection during play, in addition to, but not only, participating in a particular physical activity; it is about the experience, not the outcome. Perhaps that is a small niche, but it is where I am happy.
On a few occasions, new play partners have been flummoxed when I have not demanded or requested a self-pleasuring activity be performed upon him or herself at the end of the scene. --Sometimes I do, if it seems appropriate for the scene, but often I prefer it before arrival, request it happen at a later time and a report be sent back, or it may never even come up at all (pun intended).-- These persons are more outcome focused (another pun) and have The Special Ending as the entire goal of play.
I am curious as to how each of you perceive play. Is that Particular Finish a make-or-break for you regarding a session? Do you have other goals or necessary outcomes for a scene?
-Regan
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fermat
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Although I think it's safe to say that this has changed for me over time, the presence or absence of any single activity is irrelevant to my appreciation of play. The only single element that I would describe as 'make-or-break' is a mutually beneficial growth in the connection between my partner and I. If I believed a session weakened that link, I'd be disappointed.
Evolution is a funny thing.
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VMSmith
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When I went to my first session I really didn't know what to expect. I'd seen the videos, read the stories and reviews but also realized that my experience would be no one elses video or review; it would be unique to me. I wasn't disappointed. My first session was a whirlwind of various activities (a "sampler" if you will) including flogging, caning, hot wax, electricity, smothering, ball weights, etc. At the end of that session the Lady told me, "Now you can give yourself a dirty cum bath!". I had been dreading that moment as I wasn't sure how my response was going to be accepted. I was in a relationship with a, mostly vanilla, Girlfriend who knew of my desires but had some jealousy of the Mistress thinking that it was going to be an intimate sexual experience. I told Her that it was not about that and my orgasms were reserved for Her. I was pleasantly surprised when the Mistress seemed ok with my wishes. Now, several years later I know that same Girlfriend would be ok if I did cum during session as it doesn't take anything away from Her. In fact She has expressed a desire to come to a session to get a better idea of what it does for me. To answer Your question (after all that bloviating) the session is all about having fun with no particular activity needed for a succesful finish. The sessions I've had so far have left me happy and wanting more. Over the past two years I've made some major changes in how I view life and one of the things that has added immensely to my happiness is releasing attachment to any outcome in any situation in which I find myself.
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soiledsammy
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I like to cum. It gets me hot to have my Mistress watch. I go to a session to get what I want so yes I want to masturbate.
Mr. Happy DOES need to dance!
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lowfi_loser
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Hi Regan -
Interesting question.
I used to think that shining the purple helmet was a necessity to a session. Back then though, I was in a much different headspace.
My views on that changed, in part due to having a better understanding of myself and what I really wanted out of session. Which is definitely the energy/power exchange.
Another part that became very apparent - was who I was playing with, rather than what I was doing mattered a lot more when I realized what that exchange entailed in its best circumstances.
I do strive for a particular outcome now however. I enjoy seeing a genuine smile at the end of playtime, and strive to make that happen.
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needtoserve
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Mr. Happy likes to dance!!! Mr Happy doesn't always need to dance, but continued supression of his Saturday Night Fever will lead to a sad Mr. Happy and probably an overly frustrated needtoserve.
Perhaps this is shallow, but my sex drive and tendencies are what got me here.
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Regan
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Hi, fermat-
Thank you for your post. I agree with you except for one point: Evolution isn't half as funny as intelligent design.
-Regan
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Regan
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Hi, VM-
Interesting. The first session I sat in on ended (I was going to say climaxed, but thought the better of it) with the lady telling the fellow to manually help himself along. I was completely surprised, as I wasn't aware that was part of the whole experience. Live and learn!
It sounds like you have a very healthy relationship!
-Regan
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Regan
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Hello, sammy, and welcome to the board. Isn't it fabulous to be involved in a scene which is so broad... we all can find partners with whom we share interests and ideals.
-Regan
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Regan
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Hi, lowfi-
Would you say taking care of things beforehand helps you to focus better during a session? How about if you had to abstain for a period of time prior to play?
-Regan
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scottie
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It's not a make or break thing for me but my experience (substantial) is that it usually happens. I do enjoy it greatly when it does. Actually I've been somewhat surprised the last few years (I've been in the game for a lot of years), when the Domme seems more interested in it than I am and just won't give up until the dance is done. I have to admit that makes me feel all good inside (and a couple of other places).
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pagankinktress
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I think oftentimes it has to do with whether or not the participants in a D/s exchange are looking at it as a way to express or enhance a sexual experience or are wanting to engage in a power exchange for the sake of exchanging power. I'll admit that sometimes I'm a "weekend" kinktress; in that it has more to do with playing and pleasure than indulging in a more serious exchange. For me, it depends on my mood, though when it comes to my Pet, I do enjoy the sexual element we both get out of our playtime. Still, there's a lot to be said for bringing a little BDSM into one's every day experiences. There are also times when I want my Pet to go deeper, and I strive to make it more than just about a sexual game or kinky way to get off. It really depends on the participants expectations and what it is they are desiring to explore.
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lowfi_loser
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Hi Regan -
Taking things into my own hands pre-session does seem to help with the focus.
Abstention for a marked period I imagine would be pretty intense, as the challenges brought on by focus vs. arousal would be frustrating for the sub and amusing for the Domme.
I guess that's a part of the power exchange that goes somewhat unsaid; turning over one's desires to another and letting her control them.
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fermat
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Thank you Regan. You're point is well taken.
I should have clarified; evolution is funny-unpredictable while intelligent design is funny-haha.
Which leads me to another thought. I know how words with multiple meanings occasionally lead to misunderstandings - sometimes intentionally, but did it ever occur to anyone else how inadequate English is to express a true BDSM experience or relationship? I constantly finding myself substituting the closest real word I can think of to describe feelings and perceptions that really should have their own vocabulary. However I frequently find myself not communicating very clearly. I wonder who I should talk to to get the English language broadened?
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Regan
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Hi, needtoserve-
You are hardly a shallow person!
How would you say this desire for dancing meshes with or enriches the chastity you are exploring with Mistress Katya?
-Regan
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Regan
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Hi, scottie-
Have you noticed over the course of your sessioning experience that particular types of scenes have different sorts of endings?
-Regan
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scottie
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I can't really answer that since my interests have stayed pretty much the same over the years - bondage, corporal and CBT/NT. But I have experienced this all over the United States and in several countries in Europe. Actually "happy dancing" in the context of my scene is somewhat less frequent in Europe than in the U.S (although still common). I think that would be contrary to most people's expectations.
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needtoserve
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The desire to dance and the desire for her control makes for a good mesh. She is enjoying it also. Through words both spoken and unspoken we seem to be in agreement that the desire to dance should be controlled though not starved out altogether. It certainly makes for energy exchange between play and I am quite compliant during play.
It deepens the surrender in ways. The sessions seem to be very, very intense and I become quite willing to play however it is that Mistress Katya wants to.
ps. If you ever want to hear some ecstatic screams based on desire to dance, try some light gauge sounds after 40 or 50 days of chastity.
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I look forward to and enjoy the many aspects and nuances of a session. But Mr. Happy has to be patient and wait until he gets back to the hotel to do his thing. Then he *really* gets into it..
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Regan
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Very good point. There are many different approaches to BDSM, and there is not a black and white/right and wrong rule set; just what perspectives are shared by the participants.
I like to think I am clear about how I perceive the scene and enjoy sessions, but it appears I need to be even moreso for some people and in some situations. If it seems in advance our perspectives are maybe too divergent, I can recommend a dominant who is better suited. That is much preferable to disappointment from mis-met expectations.
-Regan
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Regan
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I would imagine he does!
-Regan
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Regan
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Hi, fermat-
As you know, as much as I love English and grammar, they do not always suffice in terms of what I would like to say. Therefore, I often fabricate my own words or modify current words to my liking, as well as creating entertaining euphemisms. The drawback is quite often what makes perfect sense to me may be utterly confusing to someone else. I am in the verrrrrry slooooooow process of building a dictionary of my terminology; not exactly Esperanto, but still of a grander scale than I originally intended.
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lowfi_loser
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It's funny, as I was going to pass along a few submissions to urban dictionary when I saw this post.
I usually only get a chance to do this at night.
So I still go through periods of having nocturnal submissions...
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Regan
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--ps. If you ever want to hear some ecstatic screams based on desire to dance, try some light gauge sounds after 40 or 50 days of chastity.--
Hmm. Would be quite yummilicious to hear, I would think!
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Regan
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Hi, lowfi-
How would you say your thoughts and feelings during a scene are different when things are taken in hand before session versus not?
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Regan
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1) Urban Dictionary is fantabulous... and not just because I need it to understand many people. Just don't submit any of my words until the Regan Dictionary has its first draft completed!
2) Nocturnal submissions? Wonderful play on words. A gold star for lowfi!
-Regan
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Regan
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Hi, scottie-
I hadn't thought about it in terms of location. It does make sense, though, if one were to compare the US and Germany, from what I have read. In Germany, there are more definite categories: dominas and bizaarladies, and a client knows what he or she is to expect . The US just has 'mistresses,' which is pretty vague, to the point of overlapping with prostitution in some people's interpretation.
In my somewhat more limited experience, it is the type of scene request which *generally* dictates the expectation of the ending; a fetishist or straight masochist# tends to need a completion activity, as opposed to an energy exchange playmate who is more into the process than the outcome.
-Regan
#as well as the dreaded 'uh, you know, a sennnnsuuuuaaaallll session. No this, no that, no these, no those, no pain, no bondage, no nothing, oh, and will you go topless for an extra ten bucks' who safewords if I even look at him the wrong way. Mr Happy Dancing is the be all and end all! *chuckle* I seldom deal with these anymore, although will try one on a rare occasion. I love a challenge!
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scottie
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You're right about the distinction in Germany and I have only seen classical Dommes there, but I have also sessioned in England, Belgium and Holland, and I include those countries in my experience. Those last three are the same as the U.S. and don't have the German distinctions. BTW - don't you just love the way the Germans engineer everything for efficiency, even down to happy dancing!
Since I am a "classical" masochist, it's good to hear I'm normal for that group. Lords knows I wouldn't want to be considered abnormal or anything like that. LOL
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scottie
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I know this was directed to Lowfi, but I'll answer from a slightly different perspective.
A couple of times Mr. Happy danced right at the start of the session at the direction of the Domme. It gave the following scene a whole new feeling. The whole focus was on the physical aspects of the scene, with none of the distractions of sexual tension. Overall I wouldn't want to do that as a general practice, but it was an interesting dynamic that developed. I expected my pain threshold to be diminished, but that didn't happen. It felt more like an old fashioned beat-down. That certainly satisfied my masochistic desires.
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lowfi_loser
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Jeepers Regan -
Can't you ask some deep questions like who's better to invite to a dinner party - Data or Mr. Spock?
Let's see...
When there is pre-session knob polishing, I tend to come in more focused on trying to please, even though my pain tolerances are usually more sensitive or heightened.
I tend to be a little slower heading into subspace, but usually get there in good order. Chalk it up to the dominant being someone that can read people, myself included, very well.
When entering the session without rubbing the root prior, I am certainly more pliable in terms of the intended, or unintended, t&d leading me to deeper predicaments.
e.g. - I don't know if I would want to try sounds after having relieved myself shortly before session. (Slightly o/t - From some things I've read through posts on a few boards, there is a physical aspect that helps recovery by releasing post-sounds.)
Maybe (and I'm just tangentalizing on my own viewpoint here) there are 3 parts to the attraction of sessioning - Physical, emotional and mental/intellectual.
I used to let the physical segment be the motivating factor. (i.e. - Wow, she's physically stunning, and here's a loose laundry list of session activities.) That often left me wanting more, and leaving some sessions pretty unfulfilled.
Then there is the mental aspect. Finding someone that could tap into what makes a session tick, and having the skills to make that seem essentially seamless was definitely a goal when I returned to sessioning. Having experienced that first hand, I am deeply appreciative that a lot of effort goes into making a session run effortlessly. It humbles me in the best sense.
What I didn't factor in, for me, was what happens when the other two portions are in good order/balance. Then the emotional section kicks in. I'm off into subspace, and being in the moment is what's there. I roll with it, like the best sections of music, or climbing or scuba diving. With any of those, one can only play as deep as the skill level allows. When playing with skilled folks it can be awe inspiring and take the sub or less experienced person into deeper levels and greater heights.
I'd be lying if I didn't admit that there is an eroticism to it. It can be considered 'dark' 'out of the norm' or even 'weird' by vanilla folks. For me, it's about admitting, then accepting, and then enjoying that certain things are arousing that are not 'vanilla.' The release being done pre-session, or if ever graciously allowed in session just shifts the focus and balance.
Apologies to head off to planet tangetium, but I hope I answered some of the question without sounding whackier than intended...
j.
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MissEliza
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Unless it's somehow relevant to the scene, "release" seems tacked on and out of place to me. I wonder how much the practice is influenced by the ty |